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post #1 of 29 Old 04-19-2016, 09:23 AM Thread Starter
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JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

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I start to make my own FEL for my tractor John Deere 455. In a days i will make a picture. Now i have problem with bucket. I dont know it what size i shoud make it. I see that on forum many people have this tractor with JD 40 FEL or 44. I will by very grateful if somebody will measure dimension of bucket, and tell me what steel thicknes i shoud bought.
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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

The bucket body and end plates are made with 1/8" (3.2 mm) plate, the cutting edge is 1/2" x 4" (12.5 mm x 100 mm) bar stock, and the width is 48" (1200 mm) minimum to 54" (1370 mm) maximum for GTs of this size.

Height and depth (front to back) are variable, depending on the primary purpose when building your own bucket. For dirt, about 16-18" (405-460 mm. for both dimensions. If it will also be used for snow, up to 22" (560 mm) is good. A bucket made with these materials to the maximum dimensions listed will weigh approximately 220 lb (100 kilos).

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

Thanks for that,

I know that it was long time from last post but i do not have time for my tractor.

This how it looks today:








This how i weld profiles, I have 160A MIG/MAG (it should by about 200A) so i have to do cut like this:



While i welding i have an accident becouse i saw smoke from engine, fastly i open the hood and i saw the fire (About 5 inch high flames) so i flooded with water from a hose. Unfortunetly nothink wrong witch engine. Only old grass with diesel burned out. There is some lampblack at side panel:

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

Your subframe looks very nice!


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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

The subframe is actually a little light. It has to transfer the horizontal component of the arm cylinder lifting force and the load on the bucket cutting edge to the tractor's frame, as well as transferring the rear axle torque from the axle to the loader posts.

In combination, these forces can exceed 2000 lb (900 kilos) easily at the base each post. The rear tire is at risk from the post support if the post moves backwards at all.

I've seen this result on my own GT when the repetative axle torque loads broke a 5" welded splice in the frame and the rear tire advanced 2" in relation to the post. It's not good enough for the parts to withstand a 1000+ kilo load once. They have to be able to survive several thousand repeats of that 1000+ kilo load over the life of the tractor or loader.

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

TUDOR:

You are right that 1000 kilos hitting hundrets times can spoil it. You say that your FEL something broken, can you show your subframe?

I finish my bucket which is made from 4mm steel, it is better than oryginal 3,2mm (1/8 ") in 40 Loader, but heavier. next i will weld all together and i will measure the cylinder length. I don't know what diameter of cylinder should i use, What are your size of hydraulic cylinder?

I also add metal sign (JD Parking Only) on my garage. Is it look nice?




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When I installed a loader on my Massey Ferguson 12 horsepower GT about 40 years ago, I didn't get the subframe correct and the rear axle torque broke a splice weld in the tractor's frame. After the third repair to the splice, I finally figured out why it was happening and took corrective measures. When I installed the loader on my newer, bigger, and heavier MF1655 in 1984, I applied the lesson and have not had a problem with that installation.

By 'lighter', I was not referring to the thickness of the steel, but to the front-to back- width of the piece supporting the front of the posts where it fastens to the tractor frame. The pic dies not show that area as clearly as might be desired.

Since my GT is set up as a loader tractor only, the subframe is much more simple than what you require to also accommodate the mower. It's a simple 'H' shape with 50x75 mm rails with 3.2 mm walls and a cross member of 50x50x6.4 mm square tubing, butt up against the rear axle tube and fastened to the tractor frame near the front axle.







The cylinders for my loader are 2x18" (50x450 mm) for the arms, and 1.5x13.5" (38x340 mm) for the bucket. I believe that JD uses something closer to the smaller size for both applications.

With regard to your cute sign, you will note that my GT is red and it is more accustomed to lifting, transporting, and burying green things than allowing them precedence for parking space.

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

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Now you can see how my FEL look like. After i sow your old tractor subframe i understand that i should think to add some more steel plates to strengthen frame.

I ordered cylinders 2x 50x400x589 and 2x 50x450x639 (diameter/extension/cylinder)
What size of hydraulic hose do you use? 1/2 inch?
I see that JD have their own Quick Coupler Plug so i must buy four of this pcs oryginal: John Deere Hydraulic Quick Coupler Plug - AM102420

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Hydraulic hose for your application is 1/4". If using steel tubing, 3/8" x 0.036" wall.

Sorry to tell you this, but you need to redo the bracing from the posts to the front of the tractor. What you have is not going to survive a reasonable service life and risks damaging the hood when it does fail. Flat stock has a limited lateral (side to side) strength and is subject to lateral motion from vibration. Add a vibration component to a compression load that can exceed 1800 lb (820 kilos) and failure is pretty much guaranteed. The bolts holding the splice together won't like that kind of load either.

Flat stock and structural angle are not good choices for bracing when dealing with compression loads. As mentioned, flat stock vibrates, and angle has a tendency to twist. The more stable square or rectangular tubing is much preferred.

Going back to my previous pics, the red self leveling link above the arm was originally 3/4" pipe and it bent several times under the compression load of lifting the front of the tractor while back dragging material. It finally failed catastrophically at the front connection when picking up a normal sized payload and was replaced with 32 mm square tube. It has not been a problem in the past approximately 1500 hours. You can see in the pic that it is still dead straight.

All connections and structural members work in harmony make a loader strong, but the smart fabricator makes each strong enough to survive on its own, or with only a little help from the other components. Use at least 38 mm square tube from the posts and 50 mm square tube across the front of the tractor. If you go back to my pics, you will see that my bracing is overkill by a substantial margin with 50x100 mm tubing, but I have used mine for loads exceeding 500 kilos many times over a 22 year period without a single structural failure in the parts that I fabricated.

Here is a pic of the post to brace connection on my GT using a 1/2" dowel and a pair of 3/8" (10 mm) bolts. The mounting pad is welded and gusseted to the post to handle the compression load and there is no real load on the dowel and bolts except to keep the brace from sliding off the mounting pad and keep them together under the limited negative load when the bucket is forced down hard enough to lift the front of the tractor.


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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

Tudor:

I know what you mean, Unfortunately now in Poland it is cold autumn, and i don't have time to weld again new frame suport. I agree with you about squares shape is much better than flat stock. I tryed to rebuild the oryginal john deere 40 FEL. Now you realized my that I should make this more heavy-Duty.

I will try to instal cylinders before first snow.

But on the first warm day on spring i will make what you say.

I will post images from instaling hydraulic soon.
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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

Actualization!

Now in Poland there are hard weather to finish FEL but i want to make it before my holiday in march, i am going to go to USA.

I bought all hydraulic parts with hoses, cylinders, connectors. I paid 500$ for all. I also have an offer to hydraulic for this tractor which cost was above 2000-3000$ for all but i dont know if me tractor need so profesional hydraulic parts.

I have done connecting front cylinders, In next week i want to make subframe cylinders and connect hosses.



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Looking good!




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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

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I bought all hydraulic parts with hoses, cylinders, connectors. I paid 500$ for all. I also have an offer to hydraulic for this tractor which cost was above 2000-3000$ for all but i dont know if me tractor need so profesional hydraulic parts.

In North America, the cylinders alone will cost about $400-500. Add another $200 plus for hoses and fittings. A complete hydraulic system dedicated to the loader, including pump, valves, hoses, steel tubing, and fittings will cost $2000-3000 for a hydraulics shop to make. The cost will be about $500 less to do it yourself, but it will absorb several hours of your time and well over $100 for specialized tools.

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

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Re: JOHN DEERE 455 FEL model 40 dimensions

Hey,

Finnaly i done my loader, I use to digs a lot of tons of dirt on it. It work correctly in fact that one of hose exploded but i replace it and it work good now.

Here is video of my first test:


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