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post #1 of 45 Old 05-03-2017, 10:58 AM Thread Starter
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I have joined the 140 club! 140 Project

Picked this guy up over the weekend in a trade for an old 316k I had. It's a 1974 H1 140, hydrostatic drive sounds strong & same to the rest of the tractor.

The 140 smokes a little but it will be needing a rebuild kit. Coming soon hehe...(will keep this thread updated on that)

I kept the 33 tiller, lift arm, rear PTO & sleeve hitch from the 316k some what knowing it will go right onto the 140.
I see the sleeve hitch, lift arm & tiller will go right on but the PTO looks like it won't, am I missing something?


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Re: I have joined the 140 club! 140 Project

Not fair you got one before me! Looks like a nice machine! But I have a question why would you trade a 316k for a 140h1?

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Re: I have joined the 140 club! 140 Project

I'm no expert by any stretch, but I believe that I read that front attachments are interchangeable, rear are not.
Others that are more knowledgeable will let you know better.
Congratulations on the 140!

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I'm no expert by any stretch, but I believe that I read that front attachments are interchangeable, rear are not.
Others that are more knowledgeable will let you know better.
Congratulations on the 140!

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Both front and rear attachments are compatible. Your probably thinking about the open frame 300 series tractors like the 318.

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1987 John Deere 165 Hydro with snow plow, 38" mowing deck and AG tires Restored

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Not fair you got one before me! Looks like a nice machine! But I have a question why would you trade a 316k for a 140h1?

Yuup! I beat ya to it lol

316k was getting up there & just didn't need it.
I had been looking for a 140 for a while & had the chance to get one at the expense of my slightly high hour 316k.
I have my 332 on the other hand... Besides new project for the summer


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I'm no expert by any stretch, but I believe that I read that front attachments are interchangeable, rear are not.
Others that are more knowledgeable will let you know better.
Congratulations on the 140!

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4 Way #54 Blade
#33 Tiller
Integral Hitch

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Both front and rear attachments are compatible. Your probably thinking about the open frame 300 series tractors like the 318.
I thought that the 316 was the same as the 318 except for the power steering and 1 set hydraulics. Thanks for the info, I did not know that they had different frames.

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I thought that the 316 was the same as the 318 except for the power steering and 1 set hydraulics. Thanks for the info, I did not know that they had different frames.

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The 316 you're thinking of is the Onan open frame tractor. Before they made the open frame 316, they had a 16hp Kohler version of it with H2 but in a closed frame like the 300.

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I thought that the 316 was the same as the 318 except for the power steering and 1 set hydraulics. Thanks for the info, I did not know that they had different frames.

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The 316 you're thinking of is the Onan open frame tractor. Before they made the open frame 316, they had a 16hp Kohler version of it with H2 but in a closed frame like the 300.
Yeah the 316k is a 300 that was rebadged for one year I think don't quote me on that though. The the when the 316 Onan open frame was the economy version of the 318 it 1 hydraulic spool, 1 brake, no power steering, no tailights.

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Re: I have joined the 140 club! 140 Project

I am in for the ride. Nice machine and should be a fun project


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Back to the rear PTO, It should fit. Did you take the fan, adapter off the 316 before you got rid of it ? or just slide the PTO shaft out? You may need to swap fans from the 140 to the 316k if the guy is willing.
I hope the PTO is interchangable between these units because it would reduce my chance of finding a PTO by a lot.

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Back to the rear PTO, It should fit. Did you take the fan, adapter off the 316 before you got rid of it ? or just slide the PTO shaft out? You may need to swap fans from the 140 to the 316k if the guy is willing.

I hope the PTO is interchangable between these units because it would reduce my chance of finding a PTO by a lot.

From the back of the tractor on the 316k to where the PTO hooked up it just slid on & 2 carriage bolts with nuts held it on. On the 140 it doesn't look the same, just comes out with a hole going through it from one side to the other, I guess a pin would go in?


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Thanks! It should be

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Maybe this video will help you a little.

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Maybe this video will help you a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QypqtU7_M58&t=82s


That's exactly what I was looking for! Thank you

I went searching around for the correct PTO & have had no luck so far.

Looking at the video above & comparing to what I have, it wouldn't be all that hard to accommodate. Measured & looked at it, bout a inch & half to work with to adapt the current PTO.

Also at the same time thinking about it, would like to keep the current PTO original.

Possibly thinking to take a 10 spline coupler, take that, weld on 1/8th inch steel & take 2 inch round stock & drill out the center of that & weld 1/8th inch steel to that & in the middle of the 2 pieces put like a drive shaft isolator bushing in the middle to take up any vibration or if the tiller ever hit a rock or a rut. Of course if anything happened, would hopefully shear the pin instead.

If I went the route of making one, the tractor, tiller & current PTO would not have to be modified.

To give an idea here is what I came up with.








EDIT: Also I might want to find or make a fan to put on too.

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Your missing the female side of the PTO, the part that attaches to the transmission stub shaft, and yes, a roll pin holds it on. From the factory that roll pin also had a wire through it that was tied off to keep it from working itself out.

For those who were asking, a 316 kohler is just a re-badged 300 made only in 1978. The 120, 140 and all closed frame tractors are all completely compatible with one another. This includes the 120, 140, 300, 312, 314, 316(Kohler), and 317.

There was an open frame 316 as well, that was basically a 318 without the H2 or split brakes or power steering. Referred to as the 316 Onan.

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You just need to talk to the guy with your old 316 and get the fan adapter. If you listen to the guy in the video, he says he has the older less desireable type pto. Yours is the newest style. Yours can be removed without taking the fender deck off , his cannot. That fan adapter and splined female end is valuable and should be recovered. It would be worth paying the guy some cash to get it back. You just need to put the fan from your 140 on his 316.

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