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post #1 of 44 Old 04-19-2017, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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Debating on a John Deere 445 or 455, need opionions

I have decided to look at 445 or 455 JD's and need opinions since I am new to this world of tractors. Our needs for our 2 acre flat property are mowing and mulch moving. We have decided there is no need for 4 wd so I started looking into the garden tractor size vs the CUT 4wd's. what are the gas engines in the 445 like vs the diesel engines in the 455. I want to stay under $6000 for a unit with a mower and loader. the tractors I am looking at are all under 900 hours so the other question I have is what type of maintenance should these engines have had during their life and into the future.
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Re: Debating on a John Deere 445 or 455, need opionions

In my neighborhood, a 455 with under 900 hours and a loader, for under $6k, is about as likely as finding bigfoot.
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I agree, if you have found a 455 with loader for $6000 you should be on your way to get it now. 900 hours is nothing on a diesel.


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The 445 and 455 with a 40 loader are both very good machines, and are good for several thousands of hours if properly maintained. I had a 425 (carbureted) with an hour meter reading over 3000, and it still ran just fine.

The 445 had the fuel injected Kawasaki v-twin, which is a very reliable motor, with only a couple of weak spots. The most notorious is the nylon camshaft gear used on the pre-2000 (I think) units, which tends to fail at around 1000 hours. It's not too bad to replace, assuming that nothing else got damaged when it let go. Another common failure is water pumps leaking, which isn't too bad either, and plastic valve covers leaking. There are replacement metal valve covers available from Deere. If you find a late one, or one that has had the cam gear replaced, it should be good for a very long service life.

As far as I know, the Yanmar diesel really doesn't have any weak spots, other than maybe glow plugs and the injector pump solenoid. I think both are easy fixes. I don't have a diesel, so I'm not quite as familiar with them, I just know that I want one!

Typical 4x5 issues include broken plastic hoods and side panels, which are expensive, and necessary for proper engine cooling. The plastic gets brittle with age, and doesn't repair well. The earlier style (pre-99?) steering system is also a bit wonky, with more moving parts that wear out than is really necessary. It was used because it was the same parts as the 4 wheel steer tractors used. The later style only fit 2 wheel steer tractors, but in my opinion is a better setup. I bolted in a front axle from a late one on my second 445 ('94) that uses the simpler steering system. Transmission leaks also pop up, typically the diff lock seal or the swash plate o-rings, both can be fixed for about $3 in parts, but will take several hours of muttering about engineers needing to work as mechanics first...

Hooking up the deck driveshaft isn't all that easy if you're not flexible any more, but once you get used to it, and keep it lubed up good, it's not so bad. The 60 inch deck is a beast of an attachment, and is very heavy to move around, almost twice the weight of the 54 inch deck. Both decks are very good and leave a good cut. The 48 inch deck cuts well, but is no good for trimming around obstacles, as it is the same width as the tires. 4 wheel steering can be nice for some mowing situations, but is not so good with a loader. I'm not even sure if the loader will fit on a 4 wheel steer tractor. The loader goes on and off in about 3-5 minutes. I made this quick video (with my very dirty tractor) for another forum member to show the process

No matter which you buy, if you're using a loader, you'll need ballast. I'd say minimum for mulching on flat ground would be loaded rear tires, and 6 suitcase weights somewhere off the back. I now also run triple wheel weights, but it's a dedicated loader, and I have a lot of hills.

It's typically easiest and cheapest to buy as a package with everything you want (or more, and sell what you don't) than to buy pieces at a time. Finding just a loader is pretty rare, and when they come up, they usually aren't cheap. Of course, as you fall further into the world of garden tractors, you'll want a second one, so that you can leave the loader on all the time, and have another for mowing...

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I'll soon be listing a 750 hour 455 and 40 loader and would take 6k. Hopefully I can find buyers as excited about that combo and price as indicated above! I'm in central iowa.

Good luck in your search digger 664!

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owning a 445 and a 430, I imagine a 455 would be really cool. i love my 445 and it is way more reasonable to operate than the 430, but the 430 is cool because it's diesel. If you find either that are in good condition, but them. Allow a little more hours for a 455 because they are diesel and a few extra hours won't hurt. But like Andrew said, either well maintained will last a long time.

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thanks for the input. Believe it or not i have three to choose from. local to me is a 2001 two owner waxed and washed clean 445 with 40 loader and 54" deck, just under 1000 hours and the 22hp kawasaki engine and fork lift forks for $6500. second option is also local to me which is a 1997 unknown history 445 with 22hp engine, 48" deck and mulching kit, 40 loader, wheel weights, chains, collection system pull behind with about 750 hours for $7000. Third is about 6 hours away from me which is the 455 with the diesel, one owner 2001 or 2002, yearly oil changes, trans fluid filter and fuel filter regularly changed, new deck belt, 40 loader, 60" deck, ag rear tires, rear sprayer unit, and just under 900 hours, 6 rear weights, and a busted up hood for $6000. opinions and suggestions of which way to go would be great.
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I make a run at the 455, then the first 445 you mentioned. You'll want at least a 54" deck, maybe 60". I've had a 48", too small and my 60" now, which is a tad too big, but I only have 1.36 acres. Amazing though that all three tractors come with a loader, 40's are hard to find down here.

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thanks for the input. Believe it or not i have three to choose from. local to me is a 2001 two owner waxed and washed clean 445 with 40 loader and 54" deck, just under 1000 hours and the 22hp kawasaki engine and fork lift forks for $6500. second option is also local to me which is a 1997 unknown history 445 with 22hp engine, 48" deck and mulching kit, 40 loader, wheel weights, chains, collection system pull behind with about 750 hours for $7000. Third is about 6 hours away from me which is the 455 with the diesel, one owner 2001 or 2002, yearly oil changes, trans fluid filter and fuel filter regularly changed, new deck belt, 40 loader, 60" deck, ag rear tires, rear sprayer unit, and just under 900 hours, 6 rear weights, and a busted up hood for $6000. opinions and suggestions of which way to go would be great.
EASY! Get the diesel. You'll never ever regret having a diesel, but you may regret the gas. Its also priced the best, and being diesel its more machine. Absolutely zero question in my mind, I would be heading for the 455

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I like the 455 you mentioned, but 6 hours is pushing the envelope, and a busted up hood is expensive to replace. Broken hoods are common, especially with a loader. Check ebay for approximate prices.
But, at that price, it sounds good to me, especially with about $600 in suitcase weights/bracket.

Next I would go for the first 445. Sounds like a well cared for machine, and forks are very handy.

The second 445 is probably a good machine, but in my opinion, the 48 inch deck is useless on a 400 series.

Do you have any narrow gates, shed doors, trailers, or plantings close together that would rule out a 60" deck? The overall width is actually wider. The 54" deck is pretty close to 60 overall, without the deflector, if I remember.

I don't think you'd regret a 445, especially if all of your other stuff is gas powered. The Kawasaki is a great motor, and is only a tiny bit less powerful than the yanmar. If it wasn't great, I wouldn't own 2.
I think you'd only really notice a difference when using a snowblower in wet heavy snow, or a 60" deck with powerflow in really high grass.

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Diesel all the way baby!!! Don't walk run to that 455!

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Last year I tried to sell my 455 with a 40 on it for $6700 and could not do it. I took the advice of some of our members and separated the two and sold them in very short order for $6700. $2500 for the loader with the new relief valve and $4200 for the low time 455. In the world of everyday use, I would take the 455 over the 445 any day. I've had both and when the 445 fuel injection system burps, where do you go to fix it? I had one that started to act up and it is all electronic and there are no user-friendly approaches to it without special equipment. The carb model, 425, can be worked on by mere mortals but the FI model is a bear. The diesel requires just clean fuel and filters and will run forever. IMHO.
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I'm gonna be the oddball of the group and say no the 455 you found. 12 hour round trip to get it, plus a replacement hood and its no longer a "deal". That plastic hood is incredibly expensive.

I have a 445, when I decided to upgrade to a 4x5 machine from the 317 I didn't rule out a diesel but preferred the gas, solely because every other piece of equipment on my place is gas. Both "big" tractors are gas, the other mower is gas, everything. I didn't want to screw around with keeping diesel around for one machine. Especially if I'm gone and Dad or a neighbor come to borrow equipment and grab the wrong fuel jug.

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thanks for all the input. due to proximity and known history and care i am heading to look at the 445. i'll post pics if it works out.
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My vote is for the 455 diesel.. I love my 455.
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