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post #1 of 82 Old 03-16-2017, 08:45 PM Thread Starter
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45 loader conversion project

OK, I happened to stumble on a really nice used 45 loader and I picked it up. Issue is I have an X738. I looked at this very carefully and I'm going to rework the mounting system to accommodate the 45! First off the loader is in really nice condition. Only thing that may be an issue are some leaks from the seals on 2 rams but I'm not sure if it's just from sitting. Quick test on the tractor and I didn't get sprayed

I looked carefully at the frame and I noticed something with the holes. There are two holes that seem to be on the exact angle that the bar should be on and the holes are spaced exactly as the bar bracket. I have to check a bunch of things out. Just quick observations.

If they are on the correct angle this will make things much easier to align.

My initial plan is to have 2 3/8" steel plates made. One for each side of the frame just to double it up and then cut the existing mounting tube and weld it to the outer frame and then bolt it all together as a sandwich for extra strength. I've studied the CTC mount and it looks really weak. I'll also add some triangle gussets to the tube.

I'll post some pics when I get more done.
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I would look to see if the bar would fit through the frame by cutting the frame of the tractor like the old ones mount.I would think just mounting to the frame would put a lot of stress on the tractor frame.

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I would look to see if the bar would fit through the frame by cutting the frame of the tractor like the old ones mount.I would think just mounting to the frame would put a lot of stress on the tractor frame.
Agree. You would need to get the hole placement (for the square tube to pass through) dead on.

Not sure what you mean about the CTC mounting - my CTC loader uses a very stout square tube that goes through the frame. Just like the JD version.

BTW, if you decide not to adapt the loader to your tractor, let me know. My neighbor was quite interested in that listing for his x595.



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I would look to see if the bar would fit through the frame by cutting the frame of the tractor like the old ones mount.I would think just mounting to the frame would put a lot of stress on the tractor frame.
Cutting the frame is out of the question for me. I couldn't see destroying the frame for a loader. Plus, there are hard hydraulic lines that run directly in the way of where the tube would go. The CTC mount I was talking about is the adapter for the newer X series. It's just a stub tube bolted to the frame but it seems like it's very far forward of the bolts to me but I don't have one in hand so maybe it's not so bad
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FYI, Here's a pic of the CTC mount
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Just out of curiosity, is the tractor under warranty? Hate to see you run into issues down the road and have JD say you voided it when you modified the frame.
Aside from that, I'm looking forward to your loader project.

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Ok, worked on some templates this weekend and got everything looking and fitting good. should have some steel pics and a fit-up test by the weekend. When I'm done it will look stock and be in same position as it was meant to be. I decided to build new support tubes instead of cutting the old one. Simple thing to copy and it allows me to have the original mount in case I ever sell it. Here's a pic of one of the templates..
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Looks great!

Can't wait to see how your brackets turn out.

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Hi - the 45 loader support beam thru the frame takes a lot of the abuse of loader operation. I have a #45 on my x595. Do you have the cross-braces that span the bottom channel of the frame? I think the x-braces keep the frame from flexing. The old #40 FEL mount bolted to the side - similar to your case , but for added strength - the bar curved back under the foot boards and bolted to the frame via the bolts that hold the rear axle giving you a second support point. ( 40 loader see a pic). Maybe if you ran a channel back to the rear it would support the mount and take some of the twist of the contact area on the frame. Just a thought? Great project. it's a great loader!!
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Re: 45 loader conversion project

I hopefully will have an update soon but the steel was just picked up so I didn't have time to do any assembly just yet.

Just a few notes to clarify:

There will be no modifications to the tractor. This is strictly a bolt on.
I have 4 steel plates. 2 outer plates that the loader mount is welded onto and 2 inner plates as doublers to make a steel sandwich of the frame.
I feel this will make for a much stronger mount than having the possibility of a bolt pulling through the frame even though I don't think that would happen.
The forces I see on the mounting bar would mostly be up and down not forward or back since it can't move that way due to the front frame mount. I would think mostly pulling up from weight on the bucket.
I have 4 grade 8 flange head bolts to hold this on and one of the bolts will be threaded into a welded block inside the tube. Should be super strong.
The frame has a welded "X" on the bottom and I believe a bracket on top creating a box structure.
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Hi - most "planned" stresses will be vertical from loads in the bucket. Damage is usually caused by un-expected events. I was nearly thrown off the seat when I was moving large snow banks back and the tooth bar on the bucket snagged the asphalt curb!!!! It actually spun the tractor to the side! Machine was ok -curb has a big chunk out of it! LOL.
Looks like you have addressed the potential issues. Yes progress pics are a must! good luck! As an aside - if you plan to do any digging -a bolt-on tooth bar works great. If you find the need for on - look for one that has a steel frame with actual excavator style replaceable teeth. I found a fabricator in Mass. who built one for me. The tooth "caps" are hardened. I've had mine for years, digging and moving stone/gravel (smashing into curbs) and there is minimal or no wear? good luck!

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Hi - most "planned" stresses will be vertical from loads in the bucket. Damage is usually caused by un-expected events. I was nearly thrown off the seat when I was moving large snow banks back and the tooth bar on the bucket snagged the asphalt curb!!!! It actually spun the tractor to the side! Machine was ok -curb has a big chunk out of it! LOL.
Looks like you have addressed the potential issues. Yes progress pics are a must! good luck! As an aside - if you plan to do any digging -a bolt-on tooth bar works great. If you find the need for on - look for one that has a steel frame with actual excavator style replaceable teeth. I found a fabricator in Mass. who built one for me. The tooth "caps" are hardened. I've had mine for years, digging and moving stone/gravel (smashing into curbs) and there is minimal or no wear? good luck!
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