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post #1 of 12 Old 02-17-2017, 08:37 AM Thread Starter
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Yesterday I picked up a super clean 51 broom with hitch that the man says came off a 425 (he also threw in a front dethatcher from same unit). But he couldn't seem to find the long driveshaft and front PTO for the setup. Is that driveshaft universal and the same as the one for the snowblower. .? I would have to believe it is.
As for the dethatcher I can't find any info at the Deere website on it. The bracket looks different than any I've seen....anyone have a pic of the correct one that was offered by Deere..?
Thank you - here's a couple quick pics...
Except for the dust from sitting the broom / hitch looks near new....and got it cheap too...
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post #2 of 12 Old 02-17-2017, 09:33 AM
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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Nice score! You are going to love that rotary boom. I have the same one. Yes it uses the same front driveshaft as a snowblower and attaches same way. I am not sure of the factory bracket for the front Dethatcher, I ended up having one made that attaches to the quick hitch that works well.



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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Good Morning,

Yup, the front PTO shaft (an extension from the mid-PTO) and carrier bearing are the same as the snow thrower. I have the same broom and a bit of a different looking de-thatcher---either that or yours is missing a row twines.

I've attached the manuals for both as well as a bulletin on positioning the hydraulic hose routing of the angle cylinder to avoid pinching. If you don't have the front PTO shaft, I've seen them on Mpls Craig's List recently.
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File Type: pdf Thatcher 425, 445 & 455.pdf (4.46 MB, 24 views)

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Thank you for the links to the manuals...I really appreciate that.
Looking at the instructions for the dethatcher leads be to believe it is not the correct bracket for the 425. When talking with the fellow on the phone he kept saying 425 but when I got there (1-1/2 hour drive) he kept saying 420. The tractor had been sold years earlier so I couldn't verify and didn't want to sound rude - or go home empty handed. But the price was so right I brought it home.
I'll try and install the quick hitch later to see what I actually have - but I don't recall the 51 - broom being offered for the 420. Still I got everything for less than 1/2 the price of a new quick hitch without the angle kit...which this one has....so I figure I'm still OK.

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

I have the manual for the Quick Hitch, if you need it.

I have one dethatcher and two 455s. I ordered a second lift handle support for the second 455, which is at the other home. In this manner, I just moved the dethatcher between the two, rather than an entire tractor. I just ordered a 1025R TLB, so I'll probably be selling one of the 455s. I could make you a deal on the handle support components if you don't have one and decide to move forward with outfitting the dethatcher.

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Well....disappointment. ...the front quick hitch does not fit my 425. First clue should have been the short hydraulic hoses. Not sure what i have...it doesn't look like the front hitches I see when I Google the 420/430 tractors. So I have a near mint hitch / broom and dethatcher that I can't use without changing some things. It looks identical to a 425 hitch but where the bottom rod of the quick hitch attaches to the front drawbar hooks it is about 1-inch too narrow. A thought was to shave off some of the welded "bushing" on the hitch (where the lower attaching rod goes through) to fit but I don't know if the rest of the geometry is different. It's just THAT close to fitting....

Nest question would be if the mounting bracket on the broom would fit on a 425 hitch and would the implement driveshaft work....

Still a great set of attachments at a great price...

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Ok...further digging reveals I am the proud owner of a late model quick hitch for a 420/430 (and 318-332) model tractors....of which I have none of. Sigh....anyone care to trade for a 425 hitch...?

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

I suppose you can access JD Parts online and see if the PN numbers match for the hitch mounting bracket and the broom driveshaft (length different?). Otherwise, I could make some measurements and take some photos of mine when I return to our other home next week.

Quick Hitches show up on Mpls Craig's List from time to time. I'll be honest, I believe by the time you find a Quick Hitch and a front PTO shaft, you'll probably have as much in those two items as you would purchasing a lightly used broom package with those items included.

I don't utilize my broom much. I purchased it at a JD dealership and it included a Quick Hitch, which I already had. It was a trade-in from a school district. I bought it right and sold the Quick Hitch for more than I paid for the package. So it doesn't owe me anything. Which is a good thing, as I really don't utilize it much. It won't move a lot of snow, so the biggest thing I do with it is light snow falls or when someone drives over fresh snow in the driveway before I get it cleaned off. This year, we had a wet snow with freezing rain around Christmas, which made the driveway a perfect skating rink---literally. Taking the broom to that would only have polished it up and made it even more treacherous. So I've utilized the broom twice this winter. Besides, switching back and forth from the snow thrower to the broom is a bit of a pain.

So where is all this is going, do you really think you'll utilize a broom that much?

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Looks like a nice unit. You'll need a different telescoping drive shaft on the broom if you put it on a 4-5 tractor with the proper hitch (leaving the shaft that's too long may result in catastrophic damage).

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

Congrats on the broom. They are handy!

My advice would be to sell the 420/430 hitch and the drive shaft which should earn you decent coin to buy the correct hitch and drive shaft. There is a good demand for the 420 hitches, just have to get the word out and be prepared to ship it. Same with the driveshaft... Then turn around and buy the correct hitch and driveshaft. The hitch you can probably find used. The shaft will have to be new.... And they are not cheap... I bent mine last year... Not a fun time!

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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

The broom does have the telescoping implement drive shaft on it so (maybe) that should be good. And I'll take some measurements of a quick hitch I have for my 2025r and see how they compare.

I agree with you Martin about the limited uses of a broom on an acreage with only gravel for a driveway. In fact I wasn't even interested in the broom - I was after the quick hitch, then sell the broom and get a 54-inch blade instead.... The irony of life is that it appears the front hitch won't work but the broom would (with proper hitch). 🤡 I just KNOW the fellow said 425 on the phone....otherwise I wouldn't have been interested.

Still - I bet I can sell the dethatcher (with the apparently very rare mounting bracket for a 420/430) for as much as I paid for the whole package plus gas. And still come out ahead.

What I really got out of all of this though was a nice little road trip , met a really nice fellow and got to have discussion with you guys and learn something.

That's Priceless in my book.
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Re: Help with 51 broom and dethatcher on 425

If you decide to sell the Quick Hitch and the Thatcher, I'd suggest you place a classified on the WFM forum:

Weekend Freedom Machines Classifieds

Nothing against the MTF classifieds, but I seldom view them as they are all inclusive and that is a lot to sift through. The WFM forum is limited to small JD tractors. I've bought and sold a number of items there.

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