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Adventures with a 1986 KTM MXC 500 Widowmaker

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This thread is devoted to my 1986 KTM MXC 500 2-stroke dirt bike. The thread includes everything in chronological order from the time I purchased it to upgrades that I've done to it and my adventures with it out in the mountains. My hope is that you'll get a small view into what life it is like to own a 1980's "widowmaker" open class 2-stroke dirt bike.

Enjoy!

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The old girl arrived safe and sound have been spending the past couple of days getting acquainted with it in the garage. I finally fired it up and took it for my first ride today. If you'd like to get a firsthand experience of what it's like, then you can read my review below after the pics.

I used UShip to have it transported up from California. Found a shipper with good feedback and had it shipped for less than what it would've costed in me in fuel to go pick it up myself.

























The Basics
When you first throw a leg over it you realize how light it is. Really light. If you're used to riding two strokes and the weight wasn't so noticeable, the hard and unforgiving seat instead will catch your attention. It is probably partly this way due to its age. The gas tank is large and sits up high in front of you, but is unusually quite narrow and slim on the sides like an MX bike. Flick the kick stand up and you wonder if you almost broke it because it feels very light by the way it went up. You definitely feel like you're on something that's retro by the lines of the tank and style of the plastics, but the ergonomics are not so far vintage that you feel like you're on something from the early 70's.

You work the controls a bit to get a acquainted with their positions. The bar is nice and flat (it's actually an aftermarket bar) with a very comfortable reach that doesn't feel anything out of the ordinary. The Magura throttle system is quite heavy in feel with strong return spring pressure. Magazine editors back in the day had complains that it and the front brake lever required too much muscle to operate and could cause fatigue after a while. The clutch lever on the other hand (literally) is light. You then attempt to work the rear brake but you find that your boot rolls off the peg instead as if the brake lever isn't even there. What? The rear brake lever is somewhat oddly mounted inboard with the bike so you have to actually position your boot up and to the left in order to fully activate it smoothly. It's not mounted directly in front of the peg like most bikes so you realize you better work it several times to become comfortable with its orientation.

Starting it
This is where it gets fun. Kicking this thing over is downright scary; plain and simple. The good news is that it does seem to want to start (some bikes just plain don't and will fight you until the end) but it seems to actually be working on your side to do so which is good. If the bike is dead cold, lean it all the way over to its side for a couple seconds until fuel drips out the bottom of the carb. The original Bing carb that had a tickler was replaced with a Keihin PWK flatside so this procedure is the alternative to priming the cylinder. You can either use your left leg, unnaturally, to kick while on the seat, or, kick it with your right leg standing off the bike which I've found is most comfortable. Whatever nonconformist style you chose produces a low and fierce sounding "glug glug" as you turn it over that growls through the exhaust like the echoes the clown in the movie "IT" makes in the sewer pipes. Stories you read of folks having their calves shattered in half or legs broken quickly dance in your mind. You ask yourself "what if" and question if the risk is worth the reward. You press on the lever about 1/4 of the revolution down just until it goes over compression. The feeling is like the kick starter all of a sudden engages what feels like a stuck rock that simply won't budge any further. I use the analogy of a rock because that's exactly what it feels like once the lever comes into compression. When you kick over a big 4 stroke and you reach compression stroke, it will still often feel somewhat "rubbery" with a tiny bit of give at that point. This... notta. Nothing. Zilch. The motor might as well be locked up solid. Even when you put your entire body weight onto the lever it still will not even budge a millimeter or give you any indication that it will. At this point you say a prayer, and jump on it as if your life depended on it with the hope that the lever doesn't spring back up with enough force that could land you on the moon. If your best Hulk impression still did not move the lever one or both of two things will have happened; you either put a nice gouge in the tread of your boot and/or the bike almost fell over.

If you think bump starting this thing is a second option, think again. I initially tried this but unless you are a heavy weight, it wants lock up the tire when you let the clutch out... even in 5th gear.

If you were successful with the kicker, the lever will have gone half way down its revolution and your ears all of a sudden begin bleeding with a very rewarding joy. I felt like I had just won a gold in the national Olympics when I fired it for the first time. The sound of it is VERY loud. POP POP POP, BANG BANG BANG, CRACKLE CRACKLE CRACKLE. You almost need ear protection standing next to it when it idles it is that loud.

What is it like to ride?
To be honest, I had naively been wondering just how "powerful" it was going to feel next to modern day machines and thus preparing myself that it may not be just exactly what I had been envisioning. I was just going to enjoy for what it is. Boy, could I have ever been more wrong.






I don't think I could ever post enough of those "yikes" smilies to justify this bike. It is hands down the SCARIEST bike I have EVER ridden in my entire life. I used to review motorcycles for a part time job and have ridden varieties from all over the spectrum. Forget 1000cc+ liter bikes in terms of ferocity. The acceleration this thing has is pure insanity to the tenth degree. Violent. Pure i-n-s-a-n-i-t-y. I was shaking after my first ride on it as if I had just gotten out of a cold shower. I have not even gotten past a 1/4 throttle yet as the bike just wants to explode out from under you. I'd describe it like a stick of dynamite. Again, pure insanity. Insanity! You almost ride the clutch on this thing more than you're on the throttle. As you give it a hair of throttle input it takes off like you're going down a roller coaster. Basically if you give it any throttle it says "oh, you want a piece of me?" You let off the throttle but then you don't slow down at all because it has hardly any engine braking. You reach for the brakes and while the front works, you totally miss the rear because of the awkward positioning that you still haven't mastered yet. You've got a lot other things on your mind at the moment so you can forgive yourself for that.

As you're riding, you quickly begin to notice the heat from the expansion chamber on the left side begin getting hot so you have to swing your leg out to not burn yourself. It's hot, there's no heat shield, and it's easy to bump your leg on it which I seemed to repeatedly do. Eventually I'll get the picture. Surprisingly it is smooth in the low end, then as the revs build the vibes begin to come. Unlike some of the other 500 open classers of the time, this one came with a heavy flywheel which helps mask vibrations.

I go back to the noise because it is a lot louder than I expected it to be. The exhaust has a factory spark arrestor so it's not like it's running an open pipe either. I was even a little concerned this thing might sound a little too plugged up and already considering options of having a custom muffler made. Turns out you need ear plugs to ride it as the "BANG BANG BANG" makes you think there's bottle rockets going off inside your helmet. When it idles it's nearly as loud as a 4 stroke single that is running straight out of the manifold with no exhaust system. It's ridiculous, every part of it!

It is by far the most absurd and scariest machine I have ever experienced in my life. I can only wonder what the heck would happen if you were to fully open the throttle. The bike would probably shoot out from under you doing a zillion backwards somersaults until it eventually crashed into some trees in the next state. I now understand why these are called "widowmakers."

Now for the real question. Will I be able to start it again?
 
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#61 ·
Austen--my young friend Austen...what a blast for you w/ that bike--gotta' be..
Love the pictures in the snow up on the stand. Nice scenery.


Continue your pursuits of the 'wild thing'--and keep us informed.
Us ol' guys can live and breath vicoariously--thru you-...:tango_face_grin::tango_face_grin:

glenn
 
#63 ·
Just read your story about this KTM Monster.

I grew up in the 70's riding a Kawasaki 250 two stroke. I thought it was a bad *** bike until a friend bought a 1976 Yamaha YZ400. Your description of the power of your KTM brought back the memory of my first ride on that beast... Like you I was shaking when I got off that bike. Unbelievable power on demand. That friend ending up getting badly injured when he lost control of it and smacked a car. Bike was totaled, and friend was in the hospital for almost a year with multiple broken bones and spinal injuries.

Being older, wiser and more fragile, I now ride a 2007 Honda Shadow Aero...
 
#64 · (Edited)

Thanks to a reference and advice provided by another vintage KTM enthusiast on another site, I worked with SLM Graphics in Texas to create a kit made for the 3.1 gallon desert tank. There were no existing decal kits for this particular tank that I could find anywhere. I have to hand it to Skip who I worked with on this project who was very friendly and helpful. Originally I was going to ship the tank to him but he ended up finding the same tank that he had available which made things a lot easier! He also sent me some pictures along the way to illustrate the process which was cool. It's a perforated design and the graphic material is thick and durable.

I think this overlay was definitely worth it.

On a completely different note (and some have already seen these pics), but as an update for this thread, I took a trip with a couple of my bikes down to SoCal in May. I camped one night in the Mojave Desert and rode the KTM in its natural environment. What a great experience and opportunity to ride her in the element she was truly built for; this has been a bucket list item for me ever since I got the bike. I've included a few photos from that trip for fun as well (Note: this was before the new decals were added).

Also just replaced the rear wheel bearings and caliper bearing as well. After I got back from the trip, the bike didn't want to roll out of the trailer and found out the rear carrier bearing had seized up.'


























 
#70 ·
Your description of riding it reminds me of a friends honda 85 CR500r.
Similar BEAST. They thing would pull the wheel in 5th gear!
You are in awe from the first time yo ride it and pretty much every time!

I later had an 86 CR250r and sold it to a guy who rode and and had a big smile on his face and said I'll take it. Didn't even ask me to take less. I thought MAN he would'a loved the 500!!

But starting a CR500 is a different story. They DO NOT like to start. So bad that the kick start wears out ans starts to slip and BANG on the leg....PAIN.
But once it is running it is unstoppable!!!
 
#71 ·
Here's some pictures from a camping trip to Easter, WA I took last weekend with the bike. Nice time, I was a little worried about high temps going in July but it turned out to be just right with 84-86 degrees. It was super windy though all night long so I didn't get much more than a couple hours worth. The Lake Chelan Poker Run was going on too which added another highlight to the trip to check out in the evening. :) The sound of the boats carried for miles, I could hear them from way up in the hills above.










 
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